Jul 20 2004, 09:13 AM
After seeing Bruznik's work, both on line and in person (as Nosher has about 8,000 pieces of his stuff - and it's awesome, by the way) AND after seeing Hakbash's goodies, I've been inspired to try my hand at some scenery.
Now dat mad mek Gooba, after all of his whacky designs, deserves a propa shop. So I'm thinking of making a mek shop for him. I want a tower like Bruznik's, but an open workshop (roofed, but with the sides open). I want it fenced in on most sides, and I am planning a fuel lager in the compound as well. Naturally the entire area will be litered with bitz.
I've attached a pic below of what I'm thinking. I would apprecate thoughts and ideas right now, I've never done foam core board construction, so any hints here would also be appreciated.
Finally, if anyone would like to take a peek in their bitz boxes, and send me junk to litter it with, I would be most appreciative. I'm planning on having a "conversion' in process in this as well, so if you have an idea of what model I can be working on, or better yet donate it
that would be great!
Me not Weedy
Jul 20 2004, 09:30 AM
I think that would be a great idea for a mek garage.
After making terrain with foam core for Mordheim I have one thing that will help with the construction: pins. The kind you would use in sewing. It adds to the stability when gluing the faom core together.
What kind of bitz you looking for? I don't know if I have a lot of Ork bitz, but I'm sure to have a bunch of vehicle bitz. Maybe.
By vehicle bitz, I mean beakie/chaos beakie vehicle bitz.
Jul 20 2004, 09:47 AM
Pins. That makes sense.
as far as bitz, I was sort of half joking....but hey, what kind of loota would I be to turn down free stuff! I guess I'm looking for junk - got an old buggie that is totally worthless? A trukk that got hit with a cigarette lighter, and can't be used for anything else? that kind of stuff.
Jul 20 2004, 09:58 AM
*sigh* My mek is bugging me about wanting a garage, too!
I would try taking a razor/x-acto and beveling the edges where two pieces of fomecore meet. I would think it's make nicer corners. Maybe have some reinforcing bits in the interior.
Textured acrylic medium would make it look more like rough concrete or stucco.
Jul 20 2004, 12:32 PM
Beveling makes sense - especially as the spary primer "eats" the foam core. Has any one used the non-foam eating black primer? I've only heard about it, I dont' even know what brand it is.
I was also thinking of making the floors removable - so the bottom story would be foam core x 3 thick, second floor foamcore x 2 thick, and the top tower wall foamcore x 1 thick.
Afte watching guru's DoW movie, it definately will need a lot of oilers, and some roof mounted big shootaz (or maybe a skorcha, like in the Road Warrior....
Jul 20 2004, 12:36 PM
oh... some people cover the joins with masking tape, too. If you texture the surfaces, it will be less obvious that it is tape.
Da toy machine
Jul 20 2004, 02:49 PM
i use polyfiller to texture and fill in gaps on mine. it works well but can be really messy. are u in the uk cuz if so ive got some random boxes u can have for ure project
Jul 20 2004, 03:17 PM
sorry, otherside of the pond!
Jul 20 2004, 08:17 PM
I'm glad to have inspired you to make your own Mekshop Scarpia!
When I'm constructing buildings from Foamboard I use gumstrip to cover the joins, which I then cover with pollyfilla and textured paint. The gumstrip is the kind that you wet before it becomes sticky and it tightens a little as it dries providing a crisp corner that also helps strengthen the building's construction.
One thing I do with the strip before I use it is to tear off the straight edges, which gives a rough join with the card beneath and once covered in textured paint is virtually invisible.
Good luck with your project, let us see some pictures when its finished!
Jul 20 2004, 08:21 PM
Bruznik makes me want to quit scenery making.
Jul 21 2004, 12:59 AM
I use foam core, pink foam, or ceiling tiles to make most buildings. I screw them together with drywall screws, glue together with PVA glue or liquid nails. I use spackle or modelling clay as a filler to cover any holes or gaps in construction, then hit with home made textured paint. [Sand / paint / PVA / water mix]
Artist gesso works pretty good too as a filler or for texture but is a bit expensive. Great for stucco Ork wall affects. [NS
Bruznik, what did you use to make Noshers bunker? It looks and feels like hard board.
Let me say your work is the best I've seen...the attention to detail and the quality of the work is over the top.
Good ideas for a mek shop so far Scarpia. I'm gonna make one too eventually. I think I'll use a crane in the project as well as a garage type area.
WAAAGH! da scenery gurus
Jul 21 2004, 02:00 AM
na, i got a better idea, (sorry if this has been said) dont do a building next to it, just have an open shack with a tin roof over the top slanting, help up by some poles, then have big drums on one outside and some tables in the inside liening around (i could maybe show you pics but stupid paint wasnt responding!)
but then again, thats just my likings, not yours
Jul 21 2004, 02:23 AM
Bruznik's stuff sounds pretty good, And Im in need of some inspiration,
Can someone give me a link?
Jul 21 2004, 05:45 AM
Bruznik, and everyone else, thanks for the tips. Like Hakbash says, Bruznik's stuff is A1 orky gold. His scenery has soo many details its amazing - the bunker that Hakbash is talking about has a patched roof on top where a shell fell through it - and when you remove the top, the inside of the roof is open to the patch, and the bunker FLOOR shows damage where the shell actually landed! Amazing!
@Sean, that was my actual origional idea. But I have grown to like the idea of a tower with big shootaz and skorchaz on the roof, grot manned.
@Hakbash, a crane aye? Good idea! Consider it looted!
Jul 21 2004, 07:12 AM
Hows this for a mekshop idea, picture if you will, a small section of Mektown. Orks and gretchin wander to and fro, a mek banging away at something in his shop on the corner of WAAAGH!! and Gargant st. His shakk a modest, two story dwelling. Out back has the wartrukk he's been working on...UP ON BLOCKS no less..he steps out onto the second story balcony..one corner of it held up by two grots, one on the other shoulders...
Jul 22 2004, 02:12 AM
|QUOTE (rusty mekboy @ Jul 21 2004, 01:53 AM)|
| Hmm, |
Bruznik's stuff sounds pretty good, And Im in need of some inspiration,
Can someone give me a link?
Check the links page of the site...his link is there.
All around good stuff. I cant say enough about how Axe-ellent his scenery is. Check it out when you get a cahnce.
WAAAGH! da scenery masters
Jul 22 2004, 02:56 PM
Ok so I think I'm in business. I got sheet of 1/4 inch foam core for the building, and I'm going to base the whole thing on 1/4 plywood, with a beveleed edge, about 12 inches square. I want it big enough to fit all the (as Strong Bad would say) crap that I want to ram in, but small enough where it could conceivalbly be used in a regular battle.
Grubdakka, don'tcha worry none, there will be a vehicle in the shop. not sure what yet, but something will be being worked on. I'm also planning on doing a wiley E. Coyote blueprint thingy too!
Jul 22 2004, 03:06 PM
Man... If I had all them barrels I'd make that Grot raft Buggie I've been wanting to make forever...
This will be amazing I am sure! I'm yet to see a project by da Mek King that hasn't impressed.
Jul 22 2004, 03:25 PM
I work as a shop hand, and I can say we wouldn't get by without an overhead hoist. Its runs east-west along an I-Beam in the roof, and the I-Beam moves along the roof supporting I-beams north-south. A remote hangs down by the chain. One uses a loop of chain to move side to side, the other has motors controlled by the remote for that.
Just an idea if you want to put the effort into making it. A crane as Hakbash suggested might be easier as well as be more visible though.
We also have a pile of scrap metal, that we keep around, just in case, and I'm sure Orks would be the same.
As for bits, I have a buggy that suffered a horrible death in the making of my RC buggy. I ended up ripping just about all the bits off. I can go through what I have, so I can maybe send you some scraps I have no use for.
Jul 24 2004, 11:05 AM
Iron shark, the hoist is a perfect idea, and shouldn't be too hard to do. I may do one in conjunction with a crane - thanks for the idea. and heck ya, I'll take the buggy! (I'll save hakbash some effort - no gud lootaz) Please let me pay for postage though.
So I started construction today. First off is the inside first level of the tower. I plan on making this out of 1/8 inch foam core, with "stacked" sides. This is 2.5 inches high, and 3 5/8 inches long.
The next layer will be 5 inches high, and 3 6/8 inches long. by stacking the layers externally I hope to not only have a strong structure, but a nice solid base for floors. Additonaly, this should make the windows and doors recessed.
I also picked up a Tamiya quad tractor to convert into a mek mobile. I really like the looks of the model, and intend on adding a dragging mechanizm to the back.
Da 'ead Grot
Jul 24 2004, 08:50 PM
I like the idea of a mek garage, as for some thoughts, why not make a little crane carrying half of a land speeder or something to make the shop look like it's being given full usage, or was until the battle started....
Jul 24 2004, 10:29 PM
How big is the car? it looks pretty big?
Jul 25 2004, 05:12 AM
WOW! I really want that car! I have always wanted a car model like that to Orkify... Or even Imperialafy... Aw heck I just want a car like that in real life!
Jul 25 2004, 05:26 AM
For the crane, a lot of the old Jurrasic Park veichles had cranes that already looked a bit patched up with rivets and stuff IIRC. Might save you a bit of work.
Jul 25 2004, 04:58 PM
I was bored at work last Friday, and wandered around the shop (it's a Rig Tools shop, so large and unsubtle in nature) looking for things that would be found in an Ork Shop:
Trukk: You've already got one, so I'll just suggest adding a Dreadnought arm (with the claw thingy) onto it to make it a good salvage vehicle. It would act as a crane for loading remains into the trukk, as well as a "Jaws of Life"type deally to cut off bits that are too damaged or won't fit in da Trukk or whatever.
Forklift: The mek want's to get his new soopa charged engine from inside da shop into his buggy, but the crane can't reach inside, and when da Grots tried to carry it, they keep dropping it! Little
! So, you need something to carry stuff into and out of the shop, under shelves, a palette with loose cans, etc which a hoist can't do.
An Ork "Forklift" could be a suit of Mega-Armor, modified like that loader in the "Alien/s" movie.
Tools: We have 5 main tools, and I'm sure the same would be found in an Ork shop. Hammers, Wrenches, Screwdrivers, Cutting torch, welder. The hammers and wrenches vary in size from the small ones everyone has in their garage, to some real big-ass sledge hammers and wrenches with four foot handles. These should be fairly easy to make from plasti-card. I'm sure no Ork shop would be complete without at least one massive sledge hammer to "encourage" stubborn bits of machinery (and lazy grots if necesarry).
For a cutting torch, an Ork Burna Boy model could be used. Otherwise, 2 large compressed gas containers hooked up to a torch is all you need.
Other tools, like power drills, tend to be kept in boxes and such, so are less visable.
Air Compressor or Generator: Some form of power is always handy.
A paint Booth just covered in your armies colors would be a good touch. After many years of usage, I think their is at least an inch of paint on all surfaces in our booth. Have some cans of paint with spillage down the side, maybe a grot sniffing the thinner...
Oh, if only I weren't so lazy, I'd do one myself.
Jul 25 2004, 11:54 PM
I'd still say grots or snots huffing nitrous oxide from a tank somewhere would be just classic... along with a totally busted up Panzie jetbike/Imp Bike with "Da Loaner" painted on it or a sign hanging off it, would be nice touches IMHO.. maybe a chalk board with crazy concept sketches on it ala junkyard wars would be a good thought...
Jul 26 2004, 07:47 AM
all good ideas! Now If i can just come up with the wrecked land speeder, and panzee bike (hint, hint), we're good to go!
Sean, the trukk is 1/35 inch scale, and I don't have it yet so I can't give you overall dimensions. I really wanted the other "official" US Army salvage vehicle, but that kits like $40 bucks; this guy cost me 10. With a plow blade on the front and the back cut down to fit a big winch/crane/dragging device, I think it will work nicely, and has in its orgigional state, a very orky look.
Ironshark, man your input have been awesome - thanks so much! Not sure if I will do the forklift, physical space might get cramped on this, but a paint booth is a groovy idea! And thanks again for your buggy tactica - not sure if you read the post ork fest report, but by using your ideas three buggies of mine blocked up 3 vanquishers for the entire game. Definately a good use of 150 points!
Jul 26 2004, 12:26 PM
You've got a little orky care package coming in the mail brother, let me know when it gets to you, yeah?
My only suggestion is to add a few bits of scrap lying about the place that look like they came off of Goff or Bad Moon vehicles. That's where my boyz get most of their gear, and I imagine that a propa DeathSkull mekshop would look a lot like a chop shop for repainting/repairing/converted vehicles liberated from other clans. After all, why build it yourself (or BUY it - when has a DeathSkull ever bought anything?) when you can just borrow what you need and rebuild it to your liking?
Them's my 2 teef.
Jul 26 2004, 02:11 PM
|You've got a little orky care package coming in the mail brother, let me know when it gets to you, yeah?|
dude, pm me your paypal account info. Please let me at least pay for postage. Oh, and thanks!
|My only suggestion is to add a few bits of scrap lying about the place that look like they came off of Goff or Bad Moon vehicles. That's where my boyz get most of their gear, and I imagine that a propa DeathSkull mekshop would look a lot like a chop shop for repainting/repairing/converted vehicles liberated from other clans. After all, why build it yourself (or BUY it - when has a DeathSkull ever bought anything?) when you can just borrow what you need and rebuild it to your liking?|
Another good idea. Now where, oh where can I get some black and white checked stuff? [looks around and see's Hakbash's boyz.....]
Jul 28 2004, 08:06 AM
Nosher, I got your mekshop "kare" package, thanks - you really sent too much. It is appreciated though, and i kept your address...who knows what the postal grot will bring?
Here's an update on the slow progress. The second layrer of foamcore's been added, you can now see how the door and windows will be indented, and the inherent support structure for the flooring.
Da toy machine
Jul 28 2004, 08:17 AM
wow, itr really big!
are you gonna have the door on a hinge so it can open, or will it be kept fixed to the walls. either way its looking cool so far! what are you goona base it on, or will you leave each peace moveable to help with transport ect?
Jul 28 2004, 08:37 AM
looking good so far scarpia! cant wait for my pics
Jul 28 2004, 08:58 AM
When I first looked at the pic I thought ud used 5mm plastic card
Jul 28 2004, 09:53 AM
It looks like you have a lot of good ideas already, Scarpia. The WIP looks promising also.
Do you still plan on having a pile of drums and barrels? If so, how about having a puddle of "mystery moisture" underneath? I don't see orks treating their drums and barrels gently so all many of "juices" could have pooled together underneath them. I think such a puddle would also break up whatever basing you give it.
Jul 28 2004, 11:03 AM
puddles of oooze are just one more good idea to add to my list! Jeez, this thing is taking on a life all of its own!
For scale, the tower should be about 6 inches total in height, and 4 inches square. The base for the terrain will be on 1/4 inch thick plywood, with a beveled edge. The base will be 12 by 12 inches square. I chose this side as I wanted it big enough to hold all the crap I want to put in, and yet small enough to maybe actually use as an objective in a game.
I hadn't thought about making things removable......that's interesting. The fence on one side will be part of the tower, so that might make things difficult. i may mount the structures to the base, but make small bitz (like fuel pallets, the buggy that will be in the shop getting suuped up, etc) removable for transport.
The bottom door will be fixed, but the one on the second level may be openable. i haven't decided, or cut it out yet!
Penelope the Wonder Pony
Jul 28 2004, 11:20 AM
How about having the torso of a kan/dread with the lid off so you could see the worky gubbinz inside? Leave off the arms and legs- just have trailing wires.
Da toy machine
Jul 28 2004, 11:34 AM
yeh u cud have all kinds of stuff being worked on in the yard, like that golden demon peace with the tau workshop and the battlesuit being fixed. but u could do it ork style! theres so many possibilitys
Jul 28 2004, 12:34 PM
Looking good and solid there Scarp, excellent start. As for the kare package don't give it a second thought, I've literally got tons of stuff I'll probably never use myself and a shop for Gooba sounded like a good cause to me!
Penelope the Wonder Pony
Jul 28 2004, 04:33 PM
Loads of bitz eh, Nosher? How about sending some to a certain no good lootin' er poor and hopeless Deffskull?
Jul 28 2004, 05:50 PM
some interesting ideas appearing now,this is kinda giving me an idea on making my own garage....but i'd have to think about it.Keep up the good work scarpia!
Jul 28 2004, 06:11 PM
See wot happens wen yer get two no gud nickin lootas together...dey start swappin loot.
Datz why I tried ter keep you Deff skullz in me sights at all times an ter keep ya separated at big bashes like Ork Fest...cuz yer weedy zoggin lootas.
Now where did all me scrap and damaged vehicles go...darn Deff Skullz nicked all me stuff at Ork Fest....no gud zoggers. Only fing I could find was an empty margareeta glass and a blue painted hub cap.
Your mek shop is looking good so far Scarpia. I also like IronSharks ideas, but the other boyz have some good ones too. So many that I'm getting inspired to start my own.
I have a crane arm and a few other bitz I've been hording for just such a project.
WAAAGH! da mek shops
Jul 29 2004, 07:10 AM
Soundsl ike a mekshop contest! (joking!) I hope you guys can learn from my screw ups.
Here's the latest update. Two outside walls are now secured, window frames cut. I intend on doing closed plasticard windows in a horitzontal blast shield shutter manner.
And I know you meks are going to get REAL jealous all of a sudden.
Look! Gooba's got a workbench, bench vise, and an anvil!
There are a lot more tools to come, but I got started on a few bits while other stuff was drying.
Jul 29 2004, 08:10 AM
Kool! But I dun fink dem table legs would be strong anuf for dat anvil.
Penelope the Wonder Pony
Jul 29 2004, 08:16 AM
Yet another idea....
Instead of a trukk/wagon under construction, how about a new bomma? You could have the skel eton for one wing showing, such as ribs and suclike (look at Guru's for inspirashun). Could be miiiighty sweet, and make a change. More additions to Da Deff Skwadrun, eh?
Jul 29 2004, 08:23 AM
Krroza, the anvil will go on a stump, as soon as I find the right diameter tree branch - ya krazy kid! Still - my meks gotta an anvil
Milky, the only problem with another plane, is 1. They are a lot of work to scratchbuild - or kitbash 2. It would take up too much space in the model. Remember the base will be 12 by 12, and the tower is 4 inches square, so it willl take up on full corner.
Jul 31 2004, 07:56 AM
Updated pic - the outside wall is now up, and the walkway is in place. Still need a staircase where gooba is standing. the far end of the wall walk will be a weapon (grot manned) point.
Penelope the Wonder Pony
Jul 31 2004, 08:07 AM
What are you going to use this as? I thought it would just be an objective, but if you're giving it Grot Gunnaz maybe you should VDR it...
Jul 31 2004, 08:40 AM
frag yer Scarpia, now me mek is going on an' on about gettin' some propa workbenches, and actually sayin' he wants a shop uv his own. I shoulda never let him see dis ere thread. He's can't even keep his mind on da work at hand.
Looks good scarpia, the workbench and anvil are way cool, but I do agree that they lok a tiny bit too weedy for a orks not so gentle care..
The house looks good too. don't forget to add a cheesy sign "Goobas werks" or similar over the front door..
Jul 31 2004, 01:25 PM
Don't blame me for you havin' a jealous mek - It was Bruznik that started all this.
Yeah, the tools are a bit weedy for my mek, but they are as close as you can get (I think) to scale, and not scratchbuild. I think they'll work when all the crap is piled up inside.
Well I got the base cut, the stairs on, the floors floored, and the base of the shed built. The longer piece of i-Beam is for the hoist.
here is a closer upper of the shed area
Jul 31 2004, 01:31 PM
That is looking friggin amazing!
I'm seriously seeing you as one of the scenery gods at this forum.
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