Thanks to everyone for being honest.
But (usually) once you start posting your critiques, I'm done with that thread. Before 8th, I stopped visiting these forums entirely because I felt most threads ended up with a critique. I've been a lurker for a long time, and I hadn't played 7th edition since, I think, the Harlequin release. But I still liked to hobby, and read up on forums. I may find your critiques strong, but I've just got no interest in being negative about this hobby. Call it being naive, foolish, or even dumb, but the current state of 40k is enough for me to enjoy the game. I don't need perfect, I just need enjoyable. And I'm willing to forgive GW's previous decade-plus of anti-consumer actions and exploitations.
Now this, makes me feel bad. I find it sad that I end a thread for you. That makes me want to do it less, because I don't deliberately set out to wreck people's experiences. To an extent I can't help myself, I find critique very easy. I can at least understand people who want to avoid that or ignore it. I get that completely. But people who go out of their way not just to criticise me, but to insult me and harass me, do not make me feel bad. They just annoy me, destroy any respect I could have for them, or anything they post, and there is no way that I would ever do anything they expressly wished me to do that I didn't already or had done for someone else. If that was the effort, it is the most stupid and backward way of going about it. Which is why I doubt any good intentions on their part.
As another member said privately to me yesterday, we're a small community now. It's hard to not rub shoulders. It's important that we manage that decently. I could try to dial down my cynical ways, but if I'm just going to get two arseholes pestering me anyway, I don't see much point in doing my half, if they are unwilling to do theirs. I also don't see why I should have to conform to some pointless conformity, just to get two people off my back. Especially when they're not very good at arguing and all they actually have is accusations and assurances that they know more about me than I do. Spreading lies about how I completely hate the hobby, just because they dislike my priorities and my tone.
They've made this harder than it ever needed to be. I am entirely driven by logic and reason. I respond to both. But they have lost theirs, in an utterly pointless vendetta, when they could have just asked me to stop, or cut down, or include stuff a bit more positive. I'd actually respond to that. But instead, and this is the bit that infuriates me, they would rather waste your time, by making the atmosphere actually toxic, just to play tone enforcers for a forum they barely add to. That is even worse for everyone else than anything I do alone. So how is that remotely a fucking improvement? Especially when one other user says they stop reading a thread when I start critiquing and that actually bothers me?
This whole back and forth has been a complete waste of time. I'm just not prepared to lose to the likes of them, and honestly I think I come out of it looking better than they do. That's not saying much. But to be honest, this isn't a popularity contest. I do what I'm good at. I wish I was more active in somewhere like the Mek's Garage, but it's taken me a long time to do much building for Orky stuff (I've mostly been working on AoS/Non-GW projects, as those games have made me more happy than 40k has, plus, I take awful photos). I wish recent Ork Fluff changes hadn't damaged my writing mojo and slowed down my writing of and about fluff down to a crawl. I wish 8th Edition had been more inspiring, instead of looking like more of the same.
Does that mean I should quit? No, I still have hope. 7th made me ready to quit. It was awful. The worst wargame I have ever played by a massive margin. It slowly and increasingly made me angrier and angrier. I'd predicted a lot of the worst of it, but what saddened me is my biggest failure at prediction was the inclination to support Phil Kelly writing another Ork Codex, as our 7th Ed book came out and was awful (and he'd been the principal writer). The one time I tried to be positive, I was wrong. I stopped getting my hopes up at that point, and I started to not care, because what was the point? But GW did then start to improve, and this is exactly what I (and everybody else) wanted to happen. So I reversed my plans, changed my mind (I can do that, ya know, what with being a sentient human being) and strapped in for 8th, hoping it would be good. It hit, and it's... okay. Well, at least that is a massive improvement over dire, so I decide to give it a year. I see things that fill me with hope (most factions have a few things going for them, even if some have more in-game advantages than they should) and some things that fill me with dread (stripped down rules is easier on the writer, and the setup is basically a factory starting pack for maximum control over individual power levels of units, which for a company that sells miniatures and likes newer ones to sell better, will be a big temptation for shenanigans). I figured, given their history, that approaching the future of GW with a large amount of weighted cynicism and concern would not be a controversial stance to take. Evidently, I was wrong. Even though GW themselves have admitted fault by their own actions as part of a rebranding initiative designed to get fans back on side. Apparently what I am supposed to do is buy this immediately.
If you think they've done enough so far, more power to you. I'm not going to criticise you for wanting to give GW the benefit of the doubt. That's a reasonable choice to make: even if I find it a little naïve, I can at least appreciate the good intentions behind it. I may express my concerns openly, but it does not mean I view everyone else's perspectives as nonsense. I have my own barometer for when I'm prepared to trust Games Workshop, and it's definitely not when they make a daft corporate joke that makes fun of over a decade of awful customer relations, poor product decisions and awful, awful writing. But that's just me. I want to see more Codices, and I care about the Ork one the most. Because of course I do. Even if I quit 40k, I still love Orks. I'd still play Gorkamorka, I'd still keep my Ork Model collection, because I care too much about it. I've always loved the models. I never fault them. When people were bitching about the Corteaz model back in the day, the only thing I had to say was that I regretted that they hadn't made it more like a conversion a staffer had done that was bang on with the artwork. I can't critique visuals. My standards are still quite high, but GW have hardly ever fallen below those standards. We never talk about models, so the one area where I would unanimously come as close to bleating as I can get, never gets discussed. I have to rely on my pleasure for building and converting, but it's been slow getting back into it. I've only very, very recently started building Ork stuff again, and that's down to my own writing, not GW's. I've been writing a 8th Ed Freebootas Codex for the Clanz Projekt on the quiet, and that's made me want to build Freeboota stuff like Flash Gitz, Rokkers and Madboyz.
GW can never be exactly what I want, because the company I loved as a youth was not a corporate, shareholder-controlled company. It can never go back to what it was. I've moved past that, naturally, but I still have high expectations. High ones because I know they're achievable. I'm not going to say GW doesn't have a difficult job, but they have the resources and brand drive that they should be able to make them happen. 7th Edition was enough of a disaster to rock their world. They should know that they need big changes, and so far, we haven't had much of that. A lot of it takes a while to set up, and so I am prepared to wait, but at the end of the day, this is still the same company that put out Failcast, that fixed their export costs, that hired Mat Ward, that removed writing credits to avoid scrutiny and boycotts, that had Black Library deny the existence of Canon, and that ultimately ignored the fans for so very, very long. It's still fresh in my memory. I doubt I'm the only one. My hope is those days never return again, but I'm not naïve enough to expect that to be true.
I'm divided on how to proceed. Because I don't want these two to win. Because they've burned all the bridges. If I made an effort to be less negative, it'd be for others, not for them. So I'll try it, on the understanding that they don't bother me. If they do, fuck it, I'll go back to my old ways. Because one thing must be made clear. I wouldn't do this for them if they were the only two members left on this forum besides me. But for people like toaae, I'd be prepared to try.