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I reckon that instead of shortening the engines, you should lengthen the fuselage and the tail. I think that one of the major problems is the plane's propeller-engine nose: the stubby front would simply exert too much drag when it has such powerful jet engines, and although it's nice to pretend that you can ignore the real life for aesthetical purposes, you simply can't in this case. Why? Because we all have an intuitive sense of "what would work" and what wouldn't, and as soon as I picture this thing flying, I see the engines tearing themselves right off of the plane. And that's not because I know anything about airplane design (I don't), but it just manifests itself as the plane looking "just wrong".

So here's my idea: extend the front of the plane so that it forms a wedge, instead of a point. Cones look really weedy and panzee, but a proppa wedge shape should look quite good and still aerodynamic enough that there isn't that nagging feeling that something is off. Plus, it would make it quite easy to add a ram-like iron gob on the front, for when the plane gets shot down (so it can crash itself into the enemy targets, see).

It should work with various kinds of engine placement; you'd have to see which one looked best.

Here's a quick sketch:

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*EDIT* That sketch is awful. I don't know what's happened to my MS Paint ability. Here's a better one:

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Well instead of using both enginz why not cut the front off one n attach it to the nose of the plane, cut the rear of the plane off n shuv the rest of the engine there :thumbs Then u got a spare engine to use on anuva project, n personly dont think this one would suffer ;)
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i was gonna suggest something similar. Why dont you just use the engine as the fuselage? would work IMHO. :yes
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I dont know if you saw one I did a couple of years ago kustom fighta bomma and maybe I'm partial, but I like the twin engines on it. There's no such thing as too much power! :cheers
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3) When I do the armor plates, I would like too (with Quase's permission) loot Quase's idea of the 'sunken rivets'.

Whoops, missed that part when I was following your progresses :blush

This is valid for all of my postings : go ahead and loot away.

I post for the enjoyment, inspiration and looting of oher Orks (and, admitted, for the praise ;) :lol ), just in the same way I use the plethora of Meks' Garage posts as an inspiration for my own projects.

For me, the engines are not too long for the plane, but too wide. Is it too late to rip open the hull and expand it :?

That would solve a lot of your aesthetic problems.
Also, as you made clear in your comic-styled question, those wings are too weedy for the engines I think. You'll need to bulk those out, making 'em thicker or with a bigger surface

Oh, and I'm in the "keep the two engines" camp too :yes
Lil' tip : up until now, the least used option I've seen in da garage are underslung engines...
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I am no expert on airplane design, but perhaps the over sized engines would work slung underneath the wing but tucked in close to the fuselage/wing base? Maybe you could add a tail/rudder similar to a B-24 or B-25 bomber?

Also this site has nifty pics and models of airplanes that may help inspire you: http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/
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Why not try something similar to the harrier? you could take just the front portions of the engines and build housings (the bladders I was talking about earlier) to tie these in to the main body. I think it would be really neat and you're close to being there already...
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Heya All; Thanks for all the great ideas, and thoughts. I have decided to try and go with 4tonmantis's idea of the two 'half-pipe' engines on the sides. To give the engines an 'end' or an exhaust, I am going to attempt to model the end of the plane with the leftover (smaller end) of one of the engines. Hopefully these pics will give you an idea of what I mean... [attachmentid=14913] [attachmentid=14914] I really want to go with the '2 engine' idea, but at the same time I have to try and keep the plane in some loose sort of scale. I figured the 2 half-pipes would do that for me. I plan on making a 'half cone' shape out of plasticard to meld the ends of the engines into the planes fuelsilage. Will the engine at the rear of the plane 'make sense'? Wing-wise... I plan on completely changing the wing tips, and that tail wing will be removed altogether and changed completely. Do the pic above look 'do-able' and realistic enough? I did place the engines in an underslung position (hugging the fuelsilage) bit it just looked wrong and too clumsy. GargDregga
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I really want to go with the '2 engine' idea, but at the same time I have to try and keep the plane in some loose sort of scale. I figured the 2 half-pipes would do that for me. I plan on making a 'half cone' shape out of plasticard to meld the ends of the engines into the planes fuelsilage.

Will the engine at the rear of the plane 'make sense'?

As long as you don't close up the nose, and make a nice air-intake (with maybe an engine visible behind it) this is perfectly OK

Can't wait to see what you're going to do with the wings :biggrin

This is beginning to look very promising indeed :yes
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I started working on the idea above, and halfway through doing it, I looked at the plane at a 'different' angle, and realised what I had been doing 'wrong'. The idea of the 2 half-pipe engines has since gone out the window (but could easily be reborn if need be). It's amazing how looking at the model in RL and the work one is doing, can give you a completely different perspective. In the pics, the idea was sound and actually looked good. But then in practice... a different story all together.

@ Quase - I was indeed going to go with the whole 'intake idea', btw. ;) .

Well... with my perspective changed, I have decided to go with the following design. Unless I recieve ALOT of negative feedback on this plan, this is what the basic idea will be, that I am going to follow. These are not photshop'd pics, but the actual 'butchery' I have performed on the poor engines. With a small amount of plasticard work/covering, I should be able to hide the terrible cutting. One more thing... The tail wing is on backwards, I know. I love the way it looks, and I am planning on using some extremely thin (paper thin actually) plasticard to 'redo' the tail wings plates and 'rudder'.
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The engines are only sitting in this position at the moment. They aren't glued, straightened, levelled, etc... yet! I am waiting for peoples thoughts on the placement, asthetics, etc.
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Sorry for the lack of light in this pic. The black blob is an armless Ork boy shown just fer scalin' reasons. The plastic 'bit' under the rear of the plane is fer support only, fer the pic.
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My main questions here are...

1) Does look like it would 'work/fly' with the engines placed where they are?
2) Does it look good? (Barring the obvious cover up work needed).
3) Is it lookin' Orky enuff?

C&C welcome as always.

Thanks

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Personally, I think that the engines should go in closer to the fusilage. The way they are now just doesnt look proppa to me.

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I like the idea, but I also think they should be closer to the hull. And again, those wings need reinforcements, because right now, those engines 'll rip the wings off at take-off, leaving the airplane where it is with a very angry pilot :lol I don't know why, but those shortened engines look a lot more powerful than the longer versions :thumbs
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I like the idea, but I also think they should be closer to the hull.

And again, those wings need reinforcements, because right now, those engines 'll rip the wings off at take-off, leaving the airplane where it is with a very angry pilot :lol
I don't know why, but those shortened engines look a lot more powerful than the longer versions :thumbs


Heya Quase;

OK, that's 2 fer 2, wanting the engines to be closer to the hull. So far I can feel an 'engine adjustment comin' on'...

Reinforcing the wings? I don't fully err understand at all, sorry.

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Ehrm, bulking them out? Making them sturdier? Get fatter wings? Bigger = better? ;) They just seem a bit too thin to be able to take the blunt power of those engines
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Ehrm, bulking them out? Making them sturdier? Get fatter wings? Bigger = better? ;)

They just seem a bit too thin to be able to take the blunt power of those engines


I will be adding armor plating to the entire plane, wings and all. I was hoping this would help to show the reinforcement.

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Indeed, with P-card of a MM thick, you should already be seeing some good results. Maybe after the plating up, add some more strips with big, non-sunken rivets that secure the engines to the wings :?
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hey! had an idea on what to do with the nosecone! stuff it full of guns! that way you won't have to worry about the weedy tip/ unrealistic hole issue! sweet plane, but i fear i am the only one who will say this, what about putting the engines at the tip of the wings?
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i think the engines should be hugging the side of the plane and then have some nice chunky wings.
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sweet plane, but i fear i am the only one who will say this, what about putting the engines at the tip of the wings?


Figured I have tried everything else, so I'd give this a go, since the engines aren't 'attached' as yet...
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Different... yes. Gonna stay... Nope, sorry.

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Heya All;

OK, well the placement of the engines was a no-go for everyone here. (Unfortunately Youngest Grot :love 'em where they were).

I have moved the engines up flush against the hull of the plane...
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In pics # 1, 2, & 4, the engines look 'angeled'. When I try and straigten them, I have a problem with the front of the engine being away from the hull, and the rear of the engine being flush up against the hull. Should I bother to straighten them, or leave them as is in pics 1, 2, & 4?

Once I have the final placement of the engines worked out, I am going to complete the detailing of the engines with the appropriate bits from the podracer sprue, then I will be glueing them into place.

When that is done, I have to decide on what to do with the nose of the plane. My original thought of the TLBS ball-gun-turret ... I don't like anymore. So... Do I fill in the gap at the nose leaving it flat, Bar it up, Armor plate it with teef/gob design (flat or curved), or try and attach a cone or wedge shape to the front of the nose?

All the ideas above are appealing to me, but which do you guys think would look best?

Thanks

GD
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