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[SquishyStone]

Basicly all you need to use in case of a short budget, like meself from all the $$$ I spend on my 40k armies but me friends wanted to play so's all I did was get a box of catachan's some green stuff and VUALA!!!!!!!!! I have a decently balanced gang. And plus all of my bits from my prior 'umie army helped a bunch too, like the powerfist for my leader! That and now all my guys are themed! They kinda look like terrorists, which works for me. That and you gots lots of and not much of in ur ead.

[Dim_Reapa]

Don't get me wrong, I understand budget constraints, but I'm really sick of hearing about how easy it is to make a gang for Necromunda with 'umies of some sort. It's cheap, yes, it gives you adaptable guys, yes, but I'm sick of all of these new wave Necromunda people who wont buy the propper gangs - It's not just you, and not much to do with you - It's mainly because alot of them I've talked to take the cos they spent less money than I did JUST! Sorry about the rant, but it's been building up. Well as much as I'm sick of the sight of such gangs, how about some pics? Seeing as you mentioned Greenstuff looks like youve made an effort to make a propper gang, so some pics would be lovely. Sorry for going off and everything, but don't let any of your mates give you flak - especially if they've done the same thing. On thing that really annoys me though is people who buy storm troopers and use them as Arbite Gangs - if they do in your campaigns - THEY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO WIN! Now, pics!!

[Dim_Reapa]

One thing that has got me wondering though is how you've going to make your heavies. I've noticed most people I have played against have had horribly converted ones or simply not bothered. Another one is the stretched Lasgun to make the needle rifle - of course, until I tell them it's impossible to start off with... If you need advice don't hesitate to ask, alot of us play regular necromunda gangs.

[Bellygrub]

If the metal gang figures didn't suck so horribly I wouldn't have had to make my gang out of Cadians I had laying around. I do have some really decent ratskins models but they are the only figures from the range I really like. Of course they're no longer available and have been replaced by horrible looking ones. I made just a generic gang, I don't follow any of the rules. I roughed up some cadians (fur cloak here, fantasy head there ,thst sort of thing) and converted up a heavy bolter. He's laying down on a slab with his gun acrost a box which puts him over his base edge a bit but he looks kick ass. Of course I also play with a specific gaming group and we all have converted gangs of sorts. We're also using the original first edition rules. None of the new updates or anything. I even have an ork gang. I made my human gang originally just to make sure I liked the game before dumping a ton of money into it. Don't think you're high and mighty just because you bought ass metal figures . That really annoys me when people in the store talk like that. If someone is new to the game, is a 15 year old kid who doesn't have access to the mail order store (you have to have a CC even to order from within the store at the mall) how is he supposed to get his gang? Solution? By one of the available human box sets and have at thee. Not anyones fault but GW's that they don't support all thier games.

[Commissar Elvis]

Don't think you're high and mighty just because you bought ass metal figures . That really annoys me when people in the store talk like that. If someone is new to the game, is a 15 year old kid who doesn't have access to the mail order store (you have to have a CC even to order from within the store at the mall) how is he supposed to get his gang?

But don't act like you're high and mighty simply because you think the metal Gangers "suck." I think most of them are great models (the gangs I would play, anyway - Delaque, Cawdor and Escher). And a 15-year old kid is pretty much guaranteed to have parents, hence the CC argument doesn't seem to hold up so well. Then again, I don't buy anything from GW (no GW stores in Florida and mail order prices are simply ridiculous) - I buy "used" stuff from other gamers or eBay pretty much exclusively since I support my LGS with Warmachine purchases. Some of us have played these games since they first came out and simply because (and I can't figure out why) everyone seems to want insanely overpriced plastic models these days doesn't mean I'm some sort of weirdo because I vastly prefer the "ass" metal figures that actually have character.

Solution? By one of the available human box sets and have at thee. Not anyones fault but GW's that they don't support all thier games.

Couldn't agree more. The decline of the entire GW product line and of the fun level in the hobby is no one's fault but GW's.

[mixmastermind]

The problem with 15 year olds playing Necromunda isn't that the figs are bad, it's that they cost an arm and a leg. Being 15 myself, there's no way any 15 year old could afford the metal gangers without some sort of doctor or lawyer parent, especially for the less used or out of production models like ratskins.

[Dim_Reapa]

Oh come on, these days you can have enough for a gang if you just DON'T buy that 16 man unit box. To be honest, I can see the point of customising - and you get more - but I just ADORE the delaques and I'm sick of the sight of plastic orlocks (Catachans) and Van Saar (Cadian) and Arbites (Storm Troopers). I suppose my lack of sympathy is down to the fact when I started Necromunda, there WEREN'T any plastic Guardsmen. Sorry about my minor rant, I've hijacked Squishy's thread. So sorry about that PICS DAMMIT!!

[Eriku-Kun]

I can understand the complaint about people who cant be bothered to get some decent models but that doesnt mean you need the old metall models. It just means that you have to put som effort into them to make them fit. I have a gang made out of catachans but i use the old 2nd ed metal ones (you know, the ones that didnt suck) and while i have not converted them to inrecognition i have gone to town on the bases instead to make them fit in an underhive environment. It does alot to prevent them from sticking out and being an eyesoar.

[Dim_Reapa]

@Eriku-Kun: check the date of the last post! And seen as it has been resurrected I'll put a more wizened Dim analogy. Do what the feck you want, its your hobby. Now let it rest in peace.

[Eriku-Kun]

aw damn. Sorry, didnt see the date of the last post, sorry. my bad.

[rummel]

Oh come on,

these days you can have enough for a gang if you just DON'T buy that 16 man unit box.

To be honest, I can see the point of customising - and you get more - but I just ADORE the delaques and I'm sick of the sight of plastic orlocks (Catachans) and Van Saar (Cadian) and Arbites (Storm Troopers).

I suppose my lack of sympathy is down to the fact when I started Necromunda, there WEREN'T any plastic Guardsmen.



PICS DAMMIT!!

I agree completely. My brothers first 'umie's were all metal mordians. He had quite a few and didnt cost any more than the plastics do now. I dont think id be happy playing against storm troopers 'counts as' arbites. Since when did the adeptus arbites look like soldiers? they are supposed to be a rip off of judge dredd!

I suppose with enough conversion plastic catachans could make gangers, but cadians would need some serious conversions. Nobody could soundly justify that military fatigues look like van saar body suits. A good sculptor could make delaque by adding the coat, bald head and glasses but that is hardly a begginers project, and in the face of that most people would just buy the metals i think.

It is true buying a metal gang from GW themselves is fairly expensive if you dont have a job. A solution would be to look through ebay. Over the last year or so i have sold full eschers, delaque and goliath gangs on ebay for around £20 each on auction. I bought them off ebay about a year before that for more or less the same price.

Another idea would be to use chaos marauders as goliaths (would be easy to sculpt on a few mohawks even for a begginer) or for a more adventurous converter empire militia. With the amount of extra stuff you get on sprues nowadays it must be a very bare bitz box indeed not to have a few guns roaming around inside it.

That being said i have no problem playing against a well converted and painted gang that looks nothing like the original six houses, so long as they do look like a gang, and not just guardsmen.

[Waaagh_Baron]

One thing that has got me wondering though is how you've going to make your heavies. I've noticed most people I have played against have had horribly converted ones or simply not bothered. Another one is the stretched Lasgun to make the needle rifle - of course, until I tell them it's impossible to start off with...

If you need advice don't hesitate to ask, alot of us play regular necromunda gangs.

Yeah I've seen way to many of those gangs out there with heavy weapons from the cadian sprue being lugged around by a single person. Personaly I have found that building my Heavy's is that hardest part of making my gangs.

For instance:



OR more recently:



Have fun trying out your own conversions.

[b0und in3rtia]

Ello... I wanted to weigh in on this subject. I played necromunda when it 1st came out Way back when.. But Ive moved a dozen times and lost everything I owned more then once to theft or acts of the gods... I Really dislike the majority of the Necro gangers.. and see nothing wrong with going out getting a box of imperials and a box of fantasy dudes... and some green stuff and going to town.. I LOVE my "Cookie" he has a pirate hat and a shotgun (cut off the blunderbuss bell) and BAM... When did the gamers of the world become such Dbags ? seriously I think it shows more creativity and love of the game to Make you OWN gang .. and do it well then just buy some store bought stuff and be a sheep like every other member of the herd. I am totally not a fan of ANY metal mins and rejoiced when plastics became the norm.. I dont want ANY of my troops to look like some one else s.. I also don't mind spending 6 hours converting a single model to get the look I want .. Just Everyone remember we are here to has fun...

[Dribble Joy]

I know this part of the forum doesn't get much traffic, but dude... two year old thread.

[b0und in3rtia]

sorry didnt even look at the date till after i posted

[Dim_Reapa]

Regardless, this issue makes the common mistake of assuming plastic over metal supremacy, and some rubbish about the metal models not looking good, and ignoring the fact that most Necromunda players who make up the bulk of campaigns are cheap, worthless gits who turn up with second hand imps they haven't bothered to convert, and people wonder why Specialist Games sections across the coterie of internet forums have bugger all in them? Storm Troopers are not Arbites. Catachans are not Orlocks. Cadians are IN NO WAY EVEN IN ALTERNATIVE DIMENSIONS Van Saar. I don't turn up to warmachine tournaments with 2nd hand Vampire Counts because they're "essentially Cryx". Most of the people who use "this awesome solution" don't do the work that is required of them. They go cheap. I've been playing Necromunda since it came out, and I can't count the amount of campaigns I've run or been involved in where these tards have turned up and ruined the campaign by being cheap and not actually getting the bloody point of the game. There is no simple solution. You either put the work in, or you don't, and you ruin it for everyone.

[Dribble Joy]

You would really loathe our LGS then. As in I think you would bust a nut in white hot rage. Let's just point out that most of the players are not converters. They have neither the time, inclination, skill, necessary parts and/or the money. Also, while they might like the game(s), there's a deep anti-GW vein running through (too) many of them and they try to pass it on by criticising those who buy GW stuff. The fact that many of the NC stuff isn't that great and you can't buy individual models, only the 8 model gang boxes and ~4 model booster packs (which aren't even available for all gangs) doesn't help. That said, lets have a run down of what is being playing as what: Orlocks - Ju Jing medium infantry. Small scale of the models off set by the bright orange paint job (as in luminous). Van Saar - Aleph tacbots. This is completely ridiculous, and he bought them for the campaign, but the guy is 'special' and so a bit of slack has been given. Plus he'll have an infinity force afterwards. Savvies - Despite how much this guy drops on minis each month, a little lazy at times so he's using his Mechanithralls and Scrapthralls. Delaque - Some Urban War stuff that was lying around in the shop (Mork knows why), they've got great coats and they were cheap. Enforcers - Some other Urban War guys with shields and stuff in armour. Enforcers - Enforcers! With some old school stuff thrown in like the grenade launcher. What is amusing is that people moan about GW prices (because as everyone knows, per model, GW is the most expensive company out there), refuse to buy them and then drop £50-60 (including their club discount) on a gang from another range instead of £30 from GW. Me? Well I do have a Van Saar gang, but when I dug them out of the random box of minis I threw them in when moving house, I discovered that: a) they were missing a number of weapons, b) weren't enough of them, c) didn't have the right weapons for the gang I was doing and I don't have the parts to re-convert them and d) I wanted a painting project and I can't afford to strip them (agency work sucks). While digging around I came across some Steel Legion models I inherited from and old housemate. I decided that they could come from a part of the hive where there's a lot of acid rain/industrial dumping above and the gas masks, goggles and trench coats would happily represent their protective gear. Van Saars wear chemically reactive suits anyway. One conversion for the heavy stubber and Klaus' Khem Kloaks were born. I'll post pics later in a new thread.

[Dim_Reapa]

It never ceases to bug me that you get these gamers who fanatically switch armies to follow metagames constantly, and will spend oodles on a game just because it isn't GW (or the equally annoying ones who do the exact opposite, and don't play anything else), spending money on these games with a truly finite shelf life (either because the company screws up [Rackham] or because the rules change and turn people away [GW, PP etc], yet the same people will niggle over going to the effort of making a small, and characterful skirmish unit for a game that is not ever going to change again, and can be reused every single time you play the game in the future.

That is the wonderful thing about all SGs. If you buy stuff to play it, you've made an investment, one that you can cash in more than once. But try convincing people of that. I've spent over half my lifetime trying to, and over half the time failing miserably, despite unbelievably massive evidence that I have accrued by myself that the expense, the pathetically small expense, is so often worth it, which isn't the case with a lot of games set in a much grander scale.

Essentially a lot of gamers are cheap-asses. Where the did all the hobbyists go?

I have 4 gangs. In most of my Necromunda playing life, I've only ever used one of them, in more campaigns than some of our hobbyists have had hot dinners. I have some purple Delaques. I love them, always have, and I made sure I got the entire range of Delaques barring one single model before the death of Mail Order (that model being the Gang Leader with Power Axe and HAIR[?!?!?!?]).

I also have a massive Goliath Gang, a slowly building Scavvy Gang, and somewhere I have a Guilder Gang, but I want to make a new one at some point. I plan to convert all of the Gangs of which I don't currently like the models, and that's Van Saars (never liked them, but I've been recently inspired by the Necromunda Campaign report they did after the release of Underhive to make a Cyberpunk-esque gang), Redemption (the new ones are horrible, sorry, but they are - I'm thinking of building up from fantasy Empire models), I'll probably do some Spyrers for a laugh, and I also have enough bits for an Arbite Gang (got quite a few of the old Arbite models), an Orlock Gang (large mix of old and new bits, I actually have spare models if people are interested in a necro for necro trade) and I have pretty much every Hired Gun going, and if I don't have it, I plan to make one.

Mind you, I can easily be described as a Necromunda Fanatic, because I am.

The fact is though, I do the extra for the love of the game. I've had a functional gang that has slowly evolved over 17 years. I don't think there was actually a time I didn't have them to tabletop quality, and although I've took my time with conversions, it's necromunda we're talking about, I've seen people scolded for failing to field completed 3000pt Warhammer armies; I take NO excuse for between 5 and 20 models.

Yes indeed I would hate your gaming group, although I would avoid ranting (as that would kill any chance of the game actually continuing in your club), so what I'd likely try and do is make the game extremely fun, underplay the whole gang rating/tournament play-off style in favour of a narrative campaign. Unfortunately, like Inquisitor, Necromunda is a victim of its own complexity. If you don't get the balance right, the experience is absolutely rubbish, something, thankfully more rare with Necro, and a lot more likely with Inquisitor ([sarcasm]my heart bleeds...[/sarcasm] ).

Anyway, don't get me wrong. I don't have anything against anyone who wants to convert, at least not now, when the range has genuinely been ruined and most of the best models discontinued (I will never forgive GW for allowing the Wyrds to go out of production). If you go to the effort, and make an original looking gang, wonderful. You help immensely.

However, doing it solely because it is cheap, trying to pass it off as hating the metal models and wanting to be original (Cut the bullsh*t. They're being cheap sods, and I'll call them on it, and I'll be right. They should at least be man (or woman) enough to actually admit it!), and generally not actually bothering to do a decent job, well I could nut them, seriously, I could. I have people like them, to thank for the state my favourite game exists in, whilst they bitch and moan about how great their pet system is, and all the horrendously overpowered combos and stuff. I seriously don't care, dude. I've had more of these morons turn up with their feckless attitude and ruin decent campaigns by not ever trying, at all, and usually throwing a strop and quitting when their first heavy dies. Cry me a frigging river.

Necromunda is a game of a lot simple complexity. On face value, it is good. The more you put into it, the better it gets, and every time I run a campaign I put everything into it. I've stopped actually playing the game because of the amount of work and effort I do to coordinate the campaigns. My number one pleasure is something I do without in order to make the Necromunda experience the best for everyone else as possible. If someone was to turn up to one of those with second hand, non-converted, barely painted models (especially Imps - going out to find suitable models from other ranges is not quite as annoying), then by rights I will want to nut them, and they will be lucky if I have nice words to say regarding them, and the perfectly good protoplasm their existence is waisted on.

By rights I'll make sure they leave the campaign, and if I see them again, I'll vomit in their face.

That's the kind of reaction I have to those gits.


On a lighter note, pics would be very nice. This is still a wonderful game, and I could use some encouragement to re-engage my efforts for Necromunda on this forum. Your Van Saars were yellow weren't they, ya spangly git. How do I know? I spied on you, obviously. Those arbites that did that thing to your thing? That was my fault, sorry.

So yeah DJ, post up a new thread with some nice gang pics, and I'll definitely leave some comments, and you may even give me the urge to get some of my gangs out and get them into shape for some photos of my own.