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After looking at it the renegade knights are just the Warden knight but they can double up on guns. So buy two Warden boxes and make a dual battlecannon and dual avenger knight. Very little conversion needed outside of adding your own spikey bits and spooky symbols.



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Thats better than the normal knights to be honest. You cant take two of the same gun with them.

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Yeah, double the guns is nice but so far renegades have no abilities, relics, stratagems, etc. I mean they have at least 1 of each but they're all trash. So double guns is nice but not getting relics, house traits and stratagems is hardly worth it, as they are adding one to a chaos army would work but trying to make an army out of them will put you at a huge disadvantage. I'm unsure if they will get a codex but I doubt it, just that PDF for the chaos players and that's it. They already built the models so they don't have to do anything more than wait for people to buy them.



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You dont get House traditions if you take only one knight. All you get is the free blade rules if you want.

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Nee rumours!

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Looted wagon could be nice. I say could because there is a 50/50 chance of it being done properly if it's done at all. Honestly if GW just did "Take any vehicle you want with BS 5+ and -15% points" it'd be simple and easy and I'm sure the Ork community would be happy.


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Looted wagon could be nice. I say could because there is a 50/50 chance of it being done properly if it's done at all. Honestly if GW just did "Take any vehicle you want with BS 5+ and -15% points" it'd be simple and easy and I'm sure the Ork community would be happy.


They would sell a lot of starter boxes as i strive to make a pure blood axe imperial army. XD

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Looted wagon could be nice. I say could because there is a 50/50 chance of it being done properly if it's done at all. Honestly if GW just did "Take any vehicle you want with BS 5+ and -15% points" it'd be simple and easy and I'm sure the Ork community would be happy.

Looted Knight here I come! 


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If GW's did that I'd get more Imperial vehicles for sure. Really love the look of the Russ and Predator so I'd like to have them in my army as the actual tank instead of a 'counts as' big trakk or looted wagon or gun wagon. Also the Imperial versions of the weapons too, it seems a lot of times the Ork version of the weapon is better and over costed because it's good even though the BS 5+ (looking at you KMB/KMP) should make the weapons still be cheap, or it's just a worse version of the weapon making it bad any time you want to use it. 

I mean, it's selling a product you've already designed to a new market and all they have to do is make a datasheet... it's so much easy money the fact they haven't done it is mind boggling. 


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We have yelled this for years and they just might get it... look at their renegade index. It's a free pdf index that probably cost them like £100-500 in resources to make but is likely to double their sale of the new knights... 5 customers alone would pay for that... it's basically free money for them.

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It's weird how listening to the people that give you their money makes them want to give you more of their money. Quick, someone contact the Economist I have a great pitch for them! 



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This is what I don't get with some business people... it's almost like they have zero experience or don't think about consequence. For example, when game companies sue other companies for no reason... it's not protecting their licence (as we have evidence it has nothing to do with that), it's not about making money (as they lose more money than it's worth) and all it does is give thrm a negative press and image that a goot 10% of their regular buyers are putt off by. It's seriously confusing and gets my partner all angry...

Gw, makes rules for all the objects we are missing. Prints a mold thats a one time payment that has bits and extra pieces... they'll potentially lose sales to 3rd parties but in the process will make a huge amount of sales from people making their models for them out of the bits boxes... hell, shove in some instructions and suggestions on how to make conversations using their own models and boom! You sold a box of bits, sold some more models and you did not even have to pay 1 million for like 10 extra molds.

Orrrrrr

Remove the unit, limit the armies sales, only sell a single hq you only need to buy once, piss off fans who made their models out of your models and potentially alienate about 15 <% of your player base who wonder off to different nerdy games.

Honestly, don't know about you but I've run this company for 30 years and i think option 2 will make us more money.

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This is what I don't get with some business people... it's almost like they have zero experience or don't think about consequence. For example, when game companies sue other companies for no reason... it's not protecting their licence (as we have evidence it has nothing to do with that), it's not about making money (as they lose more money than it's worth) and all it does is give thrm a negative press and image that a goot 10% of their regular buyers are putt off by. It's seriously confusing and gets my partner all angry...

Gw, makes rules for all the objects we are missing. Prints a mold thats a one time payment that has bits and extra pieces... they'll potentially lose sales to 3rd parties but in the process will make a huge amount of sales from people making their models for them out of the bits boxes... hell, shove in some instructions and suggestions on how to make conversations using their own models and boom! You sold a box of bits, sold some more models and you did not even have to pay 1 million for like 10 extra molds.

Orrrrrr

Remove the unit, limit the armies sales, only sell a single hq you only need to buy once, piss off fans who made their models out of your models and potentially alienate about 15 <% of your player base who wonder off to different nerdy games.

Honestly, don't know about you but I've run this company for 30 years and i think option 2 will make us more money.

Simple. Big company sues small company over nothing, small company has to hire legal defense and lose a boat load of money, small company goes out of business, big company has less competition. The problem with suing (at least here in the US) is anyone can do it at any time with no actual reason and often the suer doesn't have to pay the sued's legal defense so basically it incentivizes company/individuals to sue because there are often no repercussions for it. Yay broken legal systems! 

I mean yeah them making rules and bits for missing stuff would be nice... but you have to ask yourself... is it beakie? If yes maybe, if no you're screwed. 

My favorite are all the $25-$40 mono-pose plastic HQ's with no options. I totally got into this hobby to build a model with no flexibility at all. Optional wargear? Poses? Character? I think not!

There is also the wonderfulness that was making effectively an entire new beakie army (Really look at the codex, beakie and super beakie gives you almost 3 times the option of any other book) and 2 brand new spikey beakie armies but panzee still has resin specialist units so basically eat shit and spin panzee.

Oh, as a rumor though. More GSC stuff! Character (Mono-pose as usual) but actually looks cool, and another new Aberrant.

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Are we back to thinking we are better businessmen than the current leadership at GW?



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My partner who is a business women thinks she would do better. Her mother used to sell items for the government to other countries so she has the family skill... so yes. I think she would be a beter business person. She also looked at their history and financial history and thinks they have been run poorly and dumbly until the last 2 years. She thinks they have probably had a major shift in leader ship in the last 3 years so that's why we are seeing it now.

As the for the law suit thing. The comoany EA has been documented doing this a lot. It's why they tip the scale from businesses move to just dick move. For example, (I might be wrong here hut if i remember) they paid a company to make them a game engine, the company made then the game engine. EA then stole the game engine, didn't pay the company then later on they sued comoanies that didn't have the money to fight back. Was in the 90s... but even recently they have done similar stuff.

https://youtu.be/J2yjo3Q3LnM

As for gw evil, all i have is personal testimony from a gw worker who said they were underpaid in harsh conditions but that could be just their opinion. His cuts on his hands, however, make me believe some of his stories. But no, i don't think gw is evil. Just business and a little dumb sometimes.

As for the GSC... I told you so! I totally called this one! GSC is getting lots of new models and I knew it! We haven't heard a word about Orks so i don't think we're getting much if anything.

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Are we back to thinking we are better businessmen than the current leadership at GW?

Better than the current leadership? Probably not. But it doesn't take a genius to know if you allow more people access to something you'll get more sales. I mean that's just some 101 shit. Sell something to X people only X will be your cash flow, sell something to X but make it in a way Y and Z can make use of it some Y and Z will buy it. Unless of course, you think that making products more widely available doesn't increase the amount of sales for that product...

 

 

My partner who is a business women thinks she would do better. Her mother used to sell items for the government to other countries so she has the family skill... so yes. I think she would be a beter business person. She also looked at their history and financial history and thinks they have been run poorly and dumbly until the last 2 years. She thinks they have probably had a major shift in leader ship in the last 3 years so that's why we are seeing it now.

As the for the law suit thing. The comoany EA has been documented doing this a lot. It's why they tip the scale from businesses move to just dick move. For example, (I might be wrong here hut if i remember) they paid a company to make them a game engine, the company made then the game engine. EA then stole the game engine, didn't pay the company then later on they sued comoanies that didn't have the money to fight back. Was in the 90s... but even recently they have done similar stuff.

https://youtu.be/J2yjo3Q3LnM

As for gw evil, all i have is personal testimony from a gw worker who said they were underpaid in harsh conditions but that could be just their opinion. His cuts on his hands, however, make me believe some of his stories. But no, i don't think gw is evil. Just business and a little dumb sometimes.

As for the GSC... I told you so! I totally called this one! GSC is getting lots of new models and I knew it! We haven't heard a word about Orks so i don't think we're getting much if anything.

I don't doubt GW has done shady shit, because shady shit and companies go hand in hand. 

The GSC is interesting because while still being 2-4 Codexes out we're seeing more than Orks and Wolves, which as a GSC player is awesome because their current selection is quite poor I just hope the new rules will be as good as their new sculpts. I need that Gunslinger in my life. As for Orks, I really just want looted wagons, having plastic warboss, kommandos and tankbustas would be nice but I don't need it especially since I can just convert my own. Oh as for the buggy rumor it'd be nice to get a new plastic but again only if they fix the rules. If they make a new model with the same rules I won't be getting it, too high of points cost when compared to other small T5 W6 fighting vehicles.  


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Yes, because being in a period of time where geek culture is in fashion, mixed with the greatest exposure the brand has ever had, plus a corporate romance project noticeable because of it's blatant reversal from borderline hostile (and in some cases actually hostile) customer service had absolutely nothing to do with it. Oh no, it's top level business EXPERTS that has made GW successful. It's not as if GW's most successful year was basically on the cards the second they acknowledged even one of their long catalogue of flaws.

 

GW's successful business year was not only entirely likely the second they started being vaguely competent, it's still ridiculously obvious that there's room for improvement. Given that GW's main problem is still that GW big corporate are hilariously out of touch with what their product is, most people who give a shit about said product would obviously have better ideas of what to do with it.

 

Fuck, I could have videoed Mat Ward being kicked out the front door whilst yelling "You're Fired" on a loud hailer whilst an orchestra played and bagged the company another million.


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Im wondering if the Buggy/Trakk made-but-not-released-with-Codex rumor has anything to do with the GorkaMorka/Speed Freaks Codex talk from Hastings a few months ago?
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Yes, because being in a period of time where geek culture is in fashion, mixed with the greatest exposure the brand has ever had, plus a corporate romance project noticeable because of it's blatant reversal from borderline hostile (and in some cases actually hostile) customer service had absolutely nothing to do with it. Oh no, it's top level business EXPERTS that has made GW successful. It's not as if GW's most successful year was basically on the cards the second they acknowledged even one of their long catalogue of flaws.

 

GW's successful business year was not only entirely likely the second they started being vaguely competent, it's still ridiculously obvious that there's room for improvement. Given that GW's main problem is still that GW big corporate are hilariously out of touch with what their product is, most people who give a shit about said product would obviously have better ideas of what to do with it.

 

Fuck, I could have videoed Mat Ward being kicked out the front door whilst yelling "You're Fired" on a loud hailer whilst an orchestra played and bagged the company another million.

 

To be fair I can think of other companies who've been hostile to their customer, tried to about face and no matter what they do the response is hostility. Microsoft first and foremost comes to mind at this late hour. What I mean is I don't think that it can be assumed when a company stops abusing its users, that the userbase responds in kind.

 

Experts or just lucky, whatever, they made better decisions that turned their ship around. I absolutely agree that they could be doing a lot more, and in no way should their decisions be considered masterful, at least at this time.

 

Anyone here thinking they couldn't make better decisions than GW has, well... I can tell you that in my business experiences, and my second-hand experiences, and from my research as an amateur historian as well, that incompetence is pervasive everywhere. Be it corporations, small businesses, the military (where the stakes are people's lives- poor or really, just mediocre decision making is the norm. Most people are not exceptional decision-makers. They aren't good long-term planners, they aren't good delegators, ego is a constant nuisance (understatement), and even if you're a damned paragon of leadership, few people are in a position of despotic authority to make all ideal decisions; you have to endure bad compromises & decisions.

 

One thing to note that separates us here from the unwashed masses: this is a forum for fans of a strategy game. No matter how trivial that designation may be now, that still puts every person here in a tiny minority; hardly anyone plays any kind of strategy anything, or does anything strategy related. Few people seek out pursuits of leisure that feature evaluation & decision-making as a raison d'etre. It sounds a bit like a circle-jerk, because I guess it is, but in my experience most folks just work to live, do just enough, and spend their free time watching tv or facebooking. So yeah, any of us here might end up being a better businessman than randos at GW. 


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Well there is a few pointa. 1. GW makes plastic models. People have about a hundred other geeky things they can spend their money on.Microsoft, however, are 1 of 3 comaoniesnon earth wjo make the majority of computers work! The other two are priced dramatically high or something nobody has ever heard of. The fact is, if you are going to use a computer (basically a need in modern society) then you have no choice but Microsoft. But if GW tells me f off and stick my axe in a squig, then I'll just buy video games and stop buying their models.

2. As a real historian with 3 fancy expensive peices of paper, each telling me I'm more a historian than the last one, I can say that most failures in companies, military, etc, are because the people putnin charge don't earn their wah with experience. They just get out into a position, have no training and think they're amazing and can't do anything wrong.