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I got to play my second training mission the other day (and I am encouraged). Though there is plenty to chew on for a newbie, it makes you wonder how the game will change when there are more supporting units on the table. So, I've been looking at some of the army lists, to get a sense of what I'd like to field. Some of the upgrades make enough sense, yet some are a little baffling. Why in thw world would a detatchment of assault beakies ever want to add a vindicator? It's slower and moves differently. Am I missing an advantage here? My opponent wants to field as many titans as he can, he will be filling in the other 2/3 points with tank companies. How hard will this be to fight? I'm probably going to just stick to beakies, as that is what I have a fair amout of already. Clearly, I ought to take more AT than AP guns, but how hard will this be for me? Will I have an advantage by outnumbering them?

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NS, I'm gearing up for my first major Epic tournament with my Orks... small games though at 2000pts. If your opponent is going titan heavy, then I'd start investing in some Oddboy tank killers. Either big guns with Supa Zzap guns or the like, or some sort of other Macroweapon with Titan Killer ability. If big guns are the choice you're going to go with, maybe look at a Blitz Brigade... meet armour with armour. Of course, his armour is an awful lot better than yours, but at least you can take some buggies to absorb the casualties in the same way grots do in a standard mob. I love the fact that you can upgrade a gunfortress with an Oddboy, and get a free soopagun or supa Zzap gun. Just make sure there's another super-heavy in the same detachment to absorb the inevitable hits that a gun that big is going to attract. Either that or get a big gunz mob, and those issues shouldn't be as prevalent. Of course, I am assuming you're playing Orks. ;) As for the Vindicator upgrade, just because Assault Beakies can move 30cm doesn't mean you're always going to. The vindicators can give some close support, and at 20cm they move faster than regular infantry. However, you are indeed reading that correctly. Edit: :blush Ooops, just realized you're doing beakies. That's okay... Stock up on vindicators, and put them in with your tactical units. That way the Rhinos can absorb the vehicle casualties when they start firing at your squads. Heck, you could even do some predator units combined with vindicators... 4 preds, 2 vindicators for 450 pts ain't bad. :thumbs
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awww, sorry you had to type all that Orky tactica up :( Good to hear you suggest the preds, as I figured I should stock up on the anihilators. I hope terminators will help, too, I hope to deep strike them close, and assault with the macro weapons. Maybe add some characters to assault units for the macro upgrade, too. Maybe drop pods would let me get in close with the tac squads. Would orbital bombardment be any good against them? I was worried that the vindicators short range would be too useless against the heavy armor. A russ has like a 75cm range! Unless there is lots of terrain, I have to up up with alot of firing before I can get close.

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If you can manage a Battlebarge, Orbital Bombardments Rock!!! :thumbs especially a 14 Barrage Point large template Macroweapon from a battlebarge. At 14 pts, you're placing down a total of three templates, AND inflicting three extra blast markers before you start even getting to casualties. The two extra templates could allow you to do some snaking to cover a lot of field... The only downside is that you'll need to pre-plot the strike ahead of time. You have to anticipate where your opponent is going to be on turn 2 or 3... Either that or trying to lure your opponent into position in time for the Orbital Strike to hit it. Against your opponent's titans or war machines, you can apparently use pin-point attacks... but only Lunar-class Cruisers have the pinpoint option at the moment...
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I liked the idea of using a bunch or drop pods... which requires me to have some sort of ship in orbit. Lunar class?? :? I only have the choice of a strike cruiser or battle barge... are either of them lunar class? It does sound a little tricky to use the bombardment, doesn't it? I might be able to fool my opponent once, but I'm sure he'll look out for it in subsequent turns. But, that might be useful, as I may force him to leave the best positions in fear that is where I am planning to bombard.

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Nope, the Lunar is an Imperial cruiser, availble to the ´humies.

Do you need a Strike Cruiser or Battle Barge for using Drop Pods, just as you need them for Orbital Barrages..? I must have missed that, I thought the Drop Pod models was enough... :?

Sorry for Lootin´ the thread Nightserpent, but I had almost the same questions as you do (I haven´t played Epic since the old beakie, 1st and 2nd Ed, it´s quite different now and it was some time since I played... :) ).

The barrage sounds really tempting, especially as I can use my BFG ships (i.e. I already have both Strike Cruisers and a Battle Barge).

May I add some more questions..? :biggrin

Is there any reason to not pick up the Rhinos for a Tactical Detachment..? I.e keep the zoggers on foot..?

Are Land Raiders worth it..? I like the models, but they seems pretty expensive (like in 40k... :lol )..?
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I'm not 100% sure, but I did have the impression that you have to have some sort of ship to shoot the drop pods from, but I might be mistaken. It seems like a nice excuse to paint up a ship or two without needing to get a whole fleet for Gothic.

From what I have read, Epic seems more about the storytelling than a perfectly balanced tournament style game (though they provide rules for them). So, the story might dictate that they don't have rhinos for one reason or another. If there is a lot of dangerous terrain, like on a deathworld, the rhinos won't do to well. Or, perhaps you'd prefer to put them in drop pods, etc. Or, you might not have eough models available. ;)

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The latter... :) I was thinking of buying a box of plastic Beakies (Astartes Battle Company?), one set of six Rhinos and a character Pack as a start. Sounds like a nice enough starting force, I can make Tactical Detachments, Assault Detachments and Devastators and try the "new" rules properly with that.
I figured I could use a Tactical detachment on foot or something and save those money for now (might get them a Thunderhawk later)...

It seems like a nice excuse to paint up a ship or two without needing to get a whole fleet for Gothic.


Indeed, :) it´s pretty nice models!

Have you chosen any Chapter yet, Nightserpent..? Any of the (in-?)famous ones..?

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It's my own DIY chapter, the Iron Sceptres. Check 'em out. I have more painted up since then, though the Orks now belong to Kaptun Krum :yes

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Wow! I´ve seen and praised those before somewhere, they´re awesome..! You did get them showcased in the Fanatic mag or on their site, no..? :?
You´ve done a very good (not good, great! :thumbs ) job on them. it´s not easy on those small models..!

Job´s a good un! ;)

Did you sell/give your Orks to Kaptun Krum..?! How could you..? :P
Well, maybe he will be called Kaptun Krump when you start to play... :lol ;)
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They haven't been featured anywhere that I am aware of. I did use some of these photos to get the attention of Fanatic/Specialist games. I am now being 'tested' to see if I'll become an official painter for them. I'm not sure my look is clean enough for catalog work, though, my stuff tends to be very weathered and grungy. I traded the Orks to Krum. They're in good hands ;)

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Ok, I´m confusing myself, must have mixed them with someone else´s stuff... But I´ve seen them before... :yes Do you really think they´re "too weathered and grungy" for Fanatic..? :? I think they´re atleast as good as most Epic models featured on their site. :yes Good luck with that, but I´m not sure you need my luck-wishes with that great stuff! ;)
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don't get me wrong, I prefer my tanks nice and filthy. :lol But, when you see catalog type shots online or in White Dwarf, they tend to be pretty clean and crisp. Well, we'll find out soon, I guess.

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I believe that when using the Planetfall rules, you do need to have a spaceship that is capable of carrying everything that will be falling to the planet. Basically, you need to pay for the launch pad... but given that the launch pad also comes with an Orbital Bombardment option, it's not such a bad thing. NS: What did you use in terms of colour for your Ork stand bases. For the most part I find mine a bit dark, and would like to brighten them up a bit...
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Aga- snakebite rims and base color, drybrush with vallejo yellow ochre, drybrush with vallejo buff (very close to bleached bone).

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I believe that when using the Planetfall rules, you do need to have a spaceship that is capable of carrying everything that will be falling to the planet. Basically, you need to pay for the launch pad... but given that the launch pad also comes with an Orbital Bombardment option, it's not such a bad thing.

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Righly so... :D I had a look at the beakie Landing Craft, wow, what a price tag..! :/ 25£..? It doesn´t look that big..? :rolleyes It´s still an Epic model I mean... It´s gotta be the single most expensive blister pack around..?

A cool model though...

I guess you know of www.epic40k.co.uk..? The battle reports there was a fun read, I especially liked Uprising on Fulda Gap and it´s linking to our world... ;)
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The Landing Craft may be pricey, but Drop Pods ain't. Apparently you can swap out Drop Pods for the Rhinos with no change in cost. Since the Drop Pods have Planetfall, all you have to do is pay for the cost of the battlebarge or strike cruiser...

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not only that, but, IIRC, you only need to purchase one pod model per detachment. Otherwise, there'd be way to many of the little buggers on the table. I put a bid on a narge, though I'll probably get outbid. :rolleyes But, to be honest, I wouldn't make an opponent buy the model if they had it in their army. It's not like the model even takes that much of an active role on the table.

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Did you see the Forgeworld Newsletter today?? They have Ork Battlewagons FW Style in Epic... Which means I'll probably field them in Epic as either Gunwagons or Battlefortress... Depending on how big they are... :thumbs
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I did, and they are obscenely detailed! I don't know how they do it, unless they have trained ants with chisels! :/ :eek